I understand.  I was just thinking that since all the other appliances are running Maria, looking at those might provide some info as to why this one is not working, like a simple typo or if something had to be coded different for this version of Redmine that might be making Maria burp. Sometimes those things can happen when folks are rolling out new versions of things, they've been putting in too many hours and looking at the same lines of code over and over and over.....  ok, that was just a tease for Jeremy.  :D  He's the best.  I'm not worried.  :)